anonymous paranoia and open leaks well in two thousand and ten actually before i even spoke with a songe there was a kind of mutiny within the wiki leaks where one engineer known as the architects who is a very secretive guy who actually rebuilt the wiki leaks anonymous mission system and is known as is described has been described to me by other what he has as a as a genius as a brilliant arc engineer he kind of led this revolt within weeks against the sanjian who these sort of oppose his managerial style and his his strategy in terms of what documents to release when that is what they saw i suppose as a kind of. you know focus on the media spotlight rather than the most important for me and so. the german spokesperson for with. burke left to create their own group called openly sens eventually in two thousand and eleven i had a chance to sit down with the architect who had never spoken with that reporter before and hear his story of his time the wiki leaks why he left and what open

leaks is trying to do and what is openly trying to do will open one and wants to create one and says that they want to create a more transparent more better engineered sort of cleaner more systematized version of wiki leaks and also one that would avoid wiki leaks pitfall of becoming this controversial for you know of of that it that it became after a published these all these secret documents of wiki leaks you know sort of became the flashpoint for this battle for internet freedom and open leaks would rather kind of see behind the scenes pass the information directly to the media and not publish anything itself and thereby you know the plan that was that the architect and. described to me too to avoid becoming that controversial targets for the governments and for the private sector to attack to shut them down so the deal was to create a wiki leaks that had all of the sort of explosive power of granting anonymity to

sources but avoided the controversy of publication and just gave the documents directly to the media i think that the reason that we haven't seen anything come from open leaks is really just speaks to the lack of credibility that the group has after the split that they you know the rupture between open leaks and wiki leaks in the in the process of of diverging i think both of them discredited the other and did more damage to each other than any intelligence agency or government could ever do as the list of these whistle blowing flash hacking groups widens or gets longer how can the government at least have the u.s. counter. act the trouble in the damage that these groups can cause well first of all as you say this is a completely global movement and i did spend time with a group called balkan leagues and bulgaria that has very successfully replicated what we did using the same software in

a lot of the same methods and they did obtain secret documents from the bulgarian government from from anonymous sources so this is something that has been replicated around the world in the u.s. we definitely. i think we haven't seen a nother wiki leaks style organization successfully you know we build that system but i think part of that is is as you say a backlash from the government that. the obama administration has prosecuted six leakers under the espionage act more than any other presidency combined so you know absolutely that there is a there is this a new war on leakers or whistleblowers you know i call them in july the head of the u.s. national security agency travel to las vegas to attend and speak at a hackers conference called def con this was the first time that the n.s.a. chief ever attended this conference since it began two decades ago you were there

you heard him speak what did you think of his speech and why do you think the head of the n.s.a. finally decided to attend this conference when i was there i was kind of struck by the fact that this guy who who used to represent for the hacker community the enemy you know the n.s.a. has long been sort of seen as the bogeyman for hackers the you know the government's. hacker and here he was sort of in the belly of the piece there was a really bizarre situation then and he was very warmly received so that was the strangest thing of all there were there were no eggs tossed on him or what have really weren't i mean critical questions even from this. audience of hundreds of you know some what subversive hackers but i think what the showed to me was a kind of what was how the american hacker community has a vault that it's become if it ever was political it's not political anymore the

mainstream the mainstream cyber security world in the us which is very much about government contracts and start ups and making money and you know getting those beltway deals has subsumes what might have once been a very you know radical subversive community and i think it's no coincidence that to track down the future of wiki leaks i have to travel to europe where i believe that there is a much more vibrant politically radical hacker movements like the one that i was telling about at the cannes communication camp in berlin the chaos computer club which runs that events has maintained a separation i think from the military industrial complex that the american hackers have and there's been a slow co-opting of american american hacker community by the government i believe how has that happened well i just think that's where the money is so they're

offering hackers that are offering jobs the have absolutely that's what i wrote a story a couple months ago about classified ads that explicitly say we're looking for hackers who can build malware. right exploits and i don't think that i mean in some cases that might be writing exploits to tests defense systems but we know that the u.s. also created stuxnet this piece of malware that was used to shut down uranium enrichment facilities in iran so. it's it seems clear that some of the best american hackers have been co-opted by the u.s. government for better or for worse what do you think motivates groups like wiki leaks and on a mess. paranoiac open makes what do you think that the majority of the motivations when i met with this andrae i believe i the sense i got from him was that he truly believes that wiki leaks is

a kind of engine of justice that it's releasing up all this information that in fact leaks themselves. the easier it becomes to leak information the more the more punishment is levied against immoral organizations and the more of them the more that benevolent organizations are rewarded he wrote this in season two thousand and six that he he saw as a very efficient way of of sifting out of the moral and immoral players and society of course was also made it motivated by his ego but i think if we if we have some kind of spectrum where. you know one side is just creating chaos and the the fun of watching stuff burn and tearing down institutions and the other side is there is a true ideology of trying to advance the justice in the world then i think it's onto somewhere in the middle and some somebody like. a group like anonymous is much further towards the chaos side and i think that anonymous is

a group that lacks of i mean they would they would say that they lack a kind of coherent ideology they just do whatever their members feel like doing at the time and often that's tearing stuff apart for the walls what do you hope that readers get from your book well i you know i think we were all shocked by for i was shocked by collateral murder when it appeared in april of two thousand and ten and to me it seemed to come out of nowhere you know i think that the media as a whole has treated this the wiki leaks phenomenon as a kind of one off strange kind of miracle or disaster whichever you want to call it and so i wanted to explore i want to explain where this came from but in the process i think that. showing the history of this movement. reveals that the way the information is changing as a whole and that there can be no more shared secrets that's the whole idea of secrecy among a crowd is is falling apart and i think we saw this most recently with this with

the romney appearance where he was speaking what to what he thought was a private crowd in his home private but the idea of a private crowds is now an oxymoron you there's always someone within the crowd ready to record and leak the information so i think we live in a narrow where secrecy is being redefined and that's something i just want to share with the world and finally if you could just tell me a little bit about your last conversation for us on from what i understand it was his assistant that called you on the telephone right well i was walking down fifth avenue and i i got this call from his assistant and who put him on the phone and he really just wanted to yell at me about a story i had written about about. one of the founders of open leaks who had left wiki leaks and he told me. that basically had stolen his ideas and and that i should stop giving credit to the organization and you know that

sounds like a pistol and. it is but at the same time you know he was right that open leaks has not actually succeeded to do even a fraction of what wiki leaks has done so you know to assign just credit he remains the figurehead of this movement's who you know has never been equals for better or for worse andy greenberg thanks very much for your time thank you. did you soften enough to notice that. to ride a horse you've got to catch it first. for him it's a daily routine that you're soft as

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orders a snap poll at the peak of his popularity citing budget but. now it's time for the sports update with. hello and welcome this is sport with me room on calls for of and here's what's coming up. my. scores one of his great more goals to help the muscovites to an away when in prague. the road to rio thought they were going to tell as russia continued training ahead of friday's crucial twenty fourteen world cup qualifier with portugal right here in moscow. and finding the net the breakdown of all russian premier league goals of game week eleven in artie's traditional goals go lower. but let's get right to the haughey and the cage shell where alex ovechkin has led to go to the top of the western conference with

a narrow one nil victory over a live in front of over sixteen thousand spectators in prague which is and u.k. shall record now with both teams sitting high in the standings it was the russian side that headed into the game in a perfect mood after winning live in a role on the other side were looking to improve from there we defeated the last five and this build up turned into a really close match for both teams of one n.h.l. captain's dinner cora inspiring the hosts another alexander the great's of bench been spearheading the visitors and it was the latter who clinched the game for dinar more as he powered the puck through all the echelons of the lead's deep tends to push the muscovites to the top of the conference. and just play europe. so as said before you'll be charles if you will call him a bowler you know we have a good cause which system and the most important thing in this team is the champ

you know and the knowledge to play at no cost and when he gives like that meanwhile two more can show games were held on tuesday both also out. side of russia ukrainian side. thrashed. scored in overtime to edge in the lap in capitals. and football now where russia continue preparing for friday's crucial world cup qualifier against christianity ronaldo is portugal in moscow now this is set to be five capello's biggest says so far as russia manager as his side go up against the group if they were it's both russia and portugal have won their matches so far in qualification. in this one despite the fallout from his dispute with after his once a bigger salary korea is one of the new additions to the set up while his team mates call considers the game to be crucial for the eventual outcome in group f. . i think it could become the decisive game in our group many of the opponents me

create difficulties with this one fixture against surely one of the most important and possibly the fate of the group will be decided after these ninety minutes and the stable football but switched to the russian premier league spartak moscow as defeats a local rivals. and did what was an awful week for the red and whites who also sold their hopes of qualifying for the knockout stages of the champions league take a major blow with a defeat to celtic richard on port late looks at the problems russia's most decorated club is facing and whether they concerned their season around. a season that started with so much hope and expectation on new head coach and i emily is quickly turning into a nightmare of a sponsor at moscow there is still a long way to go both domestically and in europe but midfielder damages who says his side need to turn things around sooner rather than later sounds as we have good games less about the problem is that we don't play every time we want to play or

how you must play and you cannot display in this league with one or two didn't do that. if you did all the time do then you don't get results and that's a problem the muscovites will not play again for two weeks players will be on international duty however does use force were echoed by aiden mcgeady would be irish we also believe in sponsoring a struggling to create chances in recent weeks i can't really explain i mean you need to hold him to be to be joe to go on playing them together. i mean i think overall to david and play. obviously the two golds with us and you know we're getting a little it's a tough chance he's after you know some cross season some shots measure the books no nothing like the spotlight having been held by lengthy injury list to relieve last a number of key players including romelu who's over the rest of the season and goalkeeper

i'm very deep is missing for a month from a shoulder injury however to gauge doesn't believe this is an excuse and says morale in the camp is a great concern. and it's not good and i mean obviously for the one to the. you know when i work and you know. and i would if it isn't you know contention to go right back up the league but. how much force will rebuff menasha said don't think i lost course you probably talk about what went wrong with a team as a blessing in disguise i was just having a bit of time off away from the. course of the i mean there's always people upset and you know temples. coming the four games with us. as well sometimes ourselves. last response time could just seven points up the leaders on g. and when you can squeeze hitting side next time and it would revive it's always great title hopes with just over a third of a season gone however there is still much work that you know anybody to do with an export mind drawing get his side we need as well as sorting out the payments it's

been less for me as a time conceding eighteen goals in just a little game. which a completely jonty school. and let's get an update on tennis worry it's an action packed day for the men at the shanghai masters the second round of the tournament sees all the top seeds taking to the court former world number one number one jock they has made that their ground of the competition by taking care of both gary as grigor dimitrov six three six two earlier in the day the czech tamasha burdick andreas seppi of italy with almost the same scoring later autopsied rajasthan her takes on again soon but taiwan meanwhile the recently grounded u.s. open champion andy murray progressed without playing after florian mayer pulls out with a rib injury prize that the scot dismissed talk that he could end the season as the world's number one. it's almost impossible to finish number one i don't know why i

keep getting asked about i'm about three thousand points behind novak which is the equivalent of when i'm here when in paris. and london. and him losing in the first run of every turn which isn't going to happen so the number one ranking is not something i'm focusing on just want to try and finish the year as best as possible and. and finally let's get back to football in russia where the premier league is taking a little break this week g. two international games and for those who already began to miss it here are all the seventeen goals scored during the latest magic date is goals galore enjoy. live . live.

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